The refusal from the activist base of the Democratic Party to start treating voters of colors as individuals rather than categories of identity will be the single most thing that causes a Harris loss. The affordability crisis is hurting everyone. The cost of living is driving everyone nuts across all identities. Despite popular progressive orthodoxy, latino voters are just like most other voters who vote based on the issues directly impacting their current livelihood. Fellow democrats, nonwhite people do not automatically vote based on identity.
I am glad Harris and her campaign recognize this. The faster the activist base recognizes this too and drops the identity politics model the easier it’ll be for her to convince voters we’ve evolved.
Sorry to double post. I just have spent a lot of time trying to advocate for the Democratic Party to go back to a working class message. Whatever the reason for inflation and cost of living, it’s happening. We can’t talk down to people about their concerns with it. We need to go back to a message that is welcoming to non-college educated folks.
Cost of living is real and though it may not be Biden’s fault, it’s happening under him and Harris’ administration. We need to own it and articulate that we have a plan to help get the nation out of it.
What could she propose that would actually help that won't be called some kind of "socialism"? Would it even help to say that these things like s&p 500, inflation down, etc. are signs that things are turning a corner? "I promise things will be better in 6 months, but until then here is <fill in the blank>"? Or does she need to go face to face and talk with them, tell her plans to them directly? I'm trying to brainstorm, thinking out loud sorry for the rambling thoughts.
She has already announced several policies to address the high costs of rent, groceries etc., run ads about them, mentioned them in speeches, etc. What more should she be doing?
Will the Fed recent .5 drop in interest rates kick in soon enough to make a difference on cost of living affordability before the election? At least to put some wind in her affordability tackling sails?
I think Harris/Walz campaign can say although prices are still high they would be even higher under a Trump administration with his reliance on tarriffs.. Inflation is largely a result of supply chain issues resulting from the pandemic. Biden/Harris has worked to improve matters relating to supply chain. Biden and Harris have stepped up antitrust enforcement and Harris will continue (she has experience with this as California AG).
I agree with you 100% that talking about GDP and the stock market does not work for the average person who is facing inflation. Very superficially things were better for them under trump than under Biden. And I believe for the most part Harris has been pretty good at acknowledging the issues facing the working person.
HOWEVER, inflation and growth issues were world wide. the US came out of the post covid period pretty much the best in the world on that score. Trump inherited very low interest rates and a functioning economy. Biden had to deal with a wild inflation spike that I would argue was not mostly his doing, Yes they spent a lot but per capita I believe the USA covid spending was relatively low on a world wide basis. trump cut taxes which gave a short term spike to markets and the economy but the debt to GDP went up massively under trump and was flat under Biden. Trump talked about infrastructure jobs and did nothing and Biden enacted sweeping infrastructure moves that are just now playing out. Also on a go forward basis, having someone who is for order and the rule of law will be much better for business and most business leaders know that.
So to me, Biden/Kamala will and have been much better for working people but because of circumstances out of their control it does not appear to be that way. it would seem that this argument cant be made becuase it is too nuanced or somehow seems like a cop out, and/or maybe Americans are too US focussed to appreciate this. but these are the facts. and I wonder why they haven't been presented.
Not the first to point this out, but what can she suggest that is legal and not trigger the "SOCIALISM/COMMUNISM" knee-jerk responses? Selective tariffs? Minimum wages? I'd like to hear what these folks--the working class latinos--need to hear.
Thanks for the update and context, Mike. While watching Meet the Press this morning, I couldn’t help but wonder why the show didn’t have you on to give insight on its Latino-focused poll.
So from what I’ve seen, besides the new housing and the homebuyer tax credit, she’s also proposing an expanded earned income tax credit, a newborn tax credit, expanded tax credits for kids and starting a business, and removing degree requirements for jobs to relieve the education cost burden. What else do you think is needed?
I bet you Trump will not distinguish between the two groups. He wants all white Christian country. As a Jew I worry about Trumps antisemitism. After all he said he would blame the Jews if he lost. My question what foes that blame look like?
You need to see things from our experiences. This is not only Latino but all minority. For instance, Queens NY residents are being squeeze by rents. Illegal immigrant issue are causing rent increase too. And seeing government helping illegals while cost of a can of spam went up by $1 or $2 are irritating. They want to help illegals but they face financial difficulties. I think Democrats elites assumed we vote only because of abortion or immigration. Many minorities are not rich. Maybe Democrat have a lot of good policies but like Chuck Rocha said about poor communication with Latino from Democrat.
A lot of the price increases especially in food is due to price gouging, there is very little competition in the grocery industry. The inflation rate is very low and Trump does not give a damn about price gouging, Kamala will go after those companies that are gouging.
Yes. But it is easier to blame Dem. Even college educate folks blame Biden. You can’t expect a person with two jobs have time to realize that real cause of inflation. Just like Mike Madrid and Chuck Rocha said that we must go to the community and listen. I don’t if any Dem talks to any of the Latino in my area. Why? They assume Latino will vote for Dem because Republican are racist. No Democrat acknowledge inflation is causing pain to hourly workers. Work with hourly minorities and you’ll realize they are somewhat ok with MAGA folks. “They talks shit to each other and feels the same economy pain”. If you understand this sentence you’ll know what I mean.
The refusal from the activist base of the Democratic Party to start treating voters of colors as individuals rather than categories of identity will be the single most thing that causes a Harris loss. The affordability crisis is hurting everyone. The cost of living is driving everyone nuts across all identities. Despite popular progressive orthodoxy, latino voters are just like most other voters who vote based on the issues directly impacting their current livelihood. Fellow democrats, nonwhite people do not automatically vote based on identity.
I am glad Harris and her campaign recognize this. The faster the activist base recognizes this too and drops the identity politics model the easier it’ll be for her to convince voters we’ve evolved.
Sorry to double post. I just have spent a lot of time trying to advocate for the Democratic Party to go back to a working class message. Whatever the reason for inflation and cost of living, it’s happening. We can’t talk down to people about their concerns with it. We need to go back to a message that is welcoming to non-college educated folks.
Cost of living is real and though it may not be Biden’s fault, it’s happening under him and Harris’ administration. We need to own it and articulate that we have a plan to help get the nation out of it.
What could she propose that would actually help that won't be called some kind of "socialism"? Would it even help to say that these things like s&p 500, inflation down, etc. are signs that things are turning a corner? "I promise things will be better in 6 months, but until then here is <fill in the blank>"? Or does she need to go face to face and talk with them, tell her plans to them directly? I'm trying to brainstorm, thinking out loud sorry for the rambling thoughts.
She has already announced several policies to address the high costs of rent, groceries etc., run ads about them, mentioned them in speeches, etc. What more should she be doing?
Will the Fed recent .5 drop in interest rates kick in soon enough to make a difference on cost of living affordability before the election? At least to put some wind in her affordability tackling sails?
I think Harris/Walz campaign can say although prices are still high they would be even higher under a Trump administration with his reliance on tarriffs.. Inflation is largely a result of supply chain issues resulting from the pandemic. Biden/Harris has worked to improve matters relating to supply chain. Biden and Harris have stepped up antitrust enforcement and Harris will continue (she has experience with this as California AG).
I agree with you 100% that talking about GDP and the stock market does not work for the average person who is facing inflation. Very superficially things were better for them under trump than under Biden. And I believe for the most part Harris has been pretty good at acknowledging the issues facing the working person.
HOWEVER, inflation and growth issues were world wide. the US came out of the post covid period pretty much the best in the world on that score. Trump inherited very low interest rates and a functioning economy. Biden had to deal with a wild inflation spike that I would argue was not mostly his doing, Yes they spent a lot but per capita I believe the USA covid spending was relatively low on a world wide basis. trump cut taxes which gave a short term spike to markets and the economy but the debt to GDP went up massively under trump and was flat under Biden. Trump talked about infrastructure jobs and did nothing and Biden enacted sweeping infrastructure moves that are just now playing out. Also on a go forward basis, having someone who is for order and the rule of law will be much better for business and most business leaders know that.
So to me, Biden/Kamala will and have been much better for working people but because of circumstances out of their control it does not appear to be that way. it would seem that this argument cant be made becuase it is too nuanced or somehow seems like a cop out, and/or maybe Americans are too US focussed to appreciate this. but these are the facts. and I wonder why they haven't been presented.
Not the first to point this out, but what can she suggest that is legal and not trigger the "SOCIALISM/COMMUNISM" knee-jerk responses? Selective tariffs? Minimum wages? I'd like to hear what these folks--the working class latinos--need to hear.
They’re gonna call her that anyway. Ignore it. Argue the right policy and let them name call
What are the policies that will get Latinos to vote for her??
Thanks for the update and context, Mike. While watching Meet the Press this morning, I couldn’t help but wonder why the show didn’t have you on to give insight on its Latino-focused poll.
So from what I’ve seen, besides the new housing and the homebuyer tax credit, she’s also proposing an expanded earned income tax credit, a newborn tax credit, expanded tax credits for kids and starting a business, and removing degree requirements for jobs to relieve the education cost burden. What else do you think is needed?
Don’t the Latinos that are immigrants realize they will all be deported if Trump gets in?
Naturalized immigrants are the least likely to be voting for Trump. The issue is with US born Latinos
I bet you Trump will not distinguish between the two groups. He wants all white Christian country. As a Jew I worry about Trumps antisemitism. After all he said he would blame the Jews if he lost. My question what foes that blame look like?
Perhaps but I was answering your question
You need to see things from our experiences. This is not only Latino but all minority. For instance, Queens NY residents are being squeeze by rents. Illegal immigrant issue are causing rent increase too. And seeing government helping illegals while cost of a can of spam went up by $1 or $2 are irritating. They want to help illegals but they face financial difficulties. I think Democrats elites assumed we vote only because of abortion or immigration. Many minorities are not rich. Maybe Democrat have a lot of good policies but like Chuck Rocha said about poor communication with Latino from Democrat.
A lot of the price increases especially in food is due to price gouging, there is very little competition in the grocery industry. The inflation rate is very low and Trump does not give a damn about price gouging, Kamala will go after those companies that are gouging.
Yes. But it is easier to blame Dem. Even college educate folks blame Biden. You can’t expect a person with two jobs have time to realize that real cause of inflation. Just like Mike Madrid and Chuck Rocha said that we must go to the community and listen. I don’t if any Dem talks to any of the Latino in my area. Why? They assume Latino will vote for Dem because Republican are racist. No Democrat acknowledge inflation is causing pain to hourly workers. Work with hourly minorities and you’ll realize they are somewhat ok with MAGA folks. “They talks shit to each other and feels the same economy pain”. If you understand this sentence you’ll know what I mean.