The problem with this analysis is that in attempting to counter the accusations of Latino racism and misogyny, it completely denies there is any. The numbers might indicate the problem is less pervasive than portrayed, but it is not helpful to say the problem doesn't exist at all. The extent of racism and misogynistic sentiment among Latinos, particularly but not exclusively male Latinos, really is a problem that is regularly experienced within the Latino community. Particularly in places like Texas. It was always there but it spread like a cancer after the deliberate targeting of Latino communities by right wing media and certain religious groups. Just as with other destructive influences among minority populations, this has resulted in predictable inter-community strife among neighbors and within families. It would be far more helpful to deal with this reality than to continue denying the role it continues to play in negatively influencing the Latino community as a whole. It's not fair to Latino people who live in this reality every day, watching our families torn apart by the insidious incursion of divisiveness and resentment that is being stirred by right wing influences upon our own family members.
I mean, the above is not a bad comment. There is a dangerous radicalization happening among many Latinos, whether we want to admit it or not. It’s like Bonnie Raitt says, “Gonna tell the truth about it. Honey, that's the hardest part.”
There’s a dangerous radicalization happening broadly throughout American society. I’m glad you use the term that it is ‘happening’…inherent in that is the fact that it doesn’t pre-exist.
The radicalization that is happening broadly, and that includes Latinos, has nothing to do with the article. The idea that Latino culture is inherently racism and misogyny is ignorant and offensive. That’s the point.
Thank you for your comment. The myth is not a myth and it exist. Now, as far of the radicalization, it is happening, it happened. I have family members that are now submerged in the far right echo chambers. They are not MAGA gear hat wearer but definitely will defend far right conspiracy theories.
Interesting is that it affects latino males more than females? 🤔
This is a classic example of inserting your own biases and considering them truth. You say it is not a myth because you want to believe that yet you provide no evidence other than “I have family members…” which is the surest sign you have no evidence or facts to back your argument up - which you don’t.
Perhaps tour family members were raised in a toxic environment or had bad role models? Regardless the fact that you have family that is regressive is unfortunate but not indicative of a broader culture.
It is interesting that the rightward shift is happening more with men than women - I extensively researched this and documented it in my book also. It’s directly correlate to the education gap. Latinas are far more likely to get college degrees than Hispanic men.
Moreover these changing vote patterns get more evident as generations move away from immigrant generations and ethnic identity weakens meaning misogynistic and racist tendencies get stronger as identification with being Latino gets weaker.
So might be time to challenge yourself with data rather than seek anecdotal information that justifies your discriminatory beliefs and your own stereotypes.
Mr. Madrid - I'm a big admirer of your work as I discovered you during the pandemic and thru the Lincoln project work. Your voice I wished it was more elevated in the mainstream media. Therefore, I feel flattered that I got a reply on my comment.
Having said that, I understand how my message could had been a trigger. I listened to you and Mr. Rocha podcast right after the election. I agreed with your analysis that the public was going to focus more on the Latino men than the white woman shift and that's because its easier to point the finger at this group vs the other.
Yet, Mr. Madrid, you might know that rascism or misogynistic data might be difficult to find as no one or most people don't full disclose their rascism or mysigonistic behaviors until you hear victims.
Let me clarify that my latino men family members were not raised in a toxic environment nor bad role models. My family member examples, its their pocket financial grievances that shifted them, then, it was the “woke” stuff, then its just the “generacion cristal” (glass generation) stuff, as I have heard them say. However, you see those feelings and grievances far surpass their pocket financial struggles.
Now with the tariffs, layoffs, and deportations, the way they defend it is more shocking then admitting things are wrong. Things are getting worst and just the pride to blame it on something else.
I'm not a data person, I'm a person that lived in the border town in Texas most of my life and until I left my 90% Hispanic demographics, got to feel what discrimination feels like, and how others see “us” latinos outside of my bubble.
On the education gap, yes that is a reality that latinas are exceeding academically. As a mother of two boys, I'm advocating for males to also find their worth if its not academically to refind it on their trades and encourage that for their thriving success and redefine what might be successful and just have a good decent life.
Thank you, I will keep reading you, and if I find that data, I will make sure to pass it along, then just coming across anecdotal.
From my view of specific male family members who voted for Trump, it was machismo that led them. Not necessarily to
Vote against Harris but in favor of lowering the low-mindedness that Trump spews and believing in the lies and misinformation that was coming out of his mouth and the Republican Party. Listening to them try to reason the decision of their votes was perplexing. They no longer support him, but what was done is done, and it’s too late to change it for now.
Thanks, Mike. You continue to offer a solution-based way forward. I have my own views and my own biases that are better kept to myself. I´d probably be labeled a Latino, a Fred Hampton-Cha Cha Jimenez Nuyorican, which to me is a political commitment, not an ethnic or ancestral label, and I´ve learned that I have little true solidarity with US Latinos, especially those in the South and West of the country. But instead of fixating on the differences, lingering in my judgements and pithy retorts, tooting my own counter-productive horn, which gets us Trump elected, what I get out of your analysis is to understand US Latinos are a reachable and winnable voting population. I´m eager to learn more and to direct my efforts towards a strategy like yours. Palante!
Combining the comments, piece and 2024 election data - men of all races and backgrounds shifted rightward. The youngest male voters especially so. Perhaps in Latino communities that looks like a resurgence of machismo.
Or maybe it’s the youngest Latino males in society that were hurt by the economy and inflation under Biden/Harris. That would also explain why they’ve soured on Trump now too.
I used “looks like” on purpose. But I would argue that young men of all races are attracted to Trump’s insults and willing to believe ridiculous promises on inflation shows a pro-males gender bias.
And given that male friendships are often based on shared activities I’m sure COVID lockdowns were worse for young men & high school boys than for their female age cohort. Trump opposed lockdowns, a point in his favor I think receives too little attention.
II’m pretty sure that Harris & Hillary lost the white female vote. Where are the articles calling them racist & misogynistic?
The problem with this analysis is that in attempting to counter the accusations of Latino racism and misogyny, it completely denies there is any. The numbers might indicate the problem is less pervasive than portrayed, but it is not helpful to say the problem doesn't exist at all. The extent of racism and misogynistic sentiment among Latinos, particularly but not exclusively male Latinos, really is a problem that is regularly experienced within the Latino community. Particularly in places like Texas. It was always there but it spread like a cancer after the deliberate targeting of Latino communities by right wing media and certain religious groups. Just as with other destructive influences among minority populations, this has resulted in predictable inter-community strife among neighbors and within families. It would be far more helpful to deal with this reality than to continue denying the role it continues to play in negatively influencing the Latino community as a whole. It's not fair to Latino people who live in this reality every day, watching our families torn apart by the insidious incursion of divisiveness and resentment that is being stirred by right wing influences upon our own family members.
It’s no more common than any other race or ethnicity - the evidence suggests it’s less than many. Problem is likely you
I mean, the above is not a bad comment. There is a dangerous radicalization happening among many Latinos, whether we want to admit it or not. It’s like Bonnie Raitt says, “Gonna tell the truth about it. Honey, that's the hardest part.”
There’s a dangerous radicalization happening broadly throughout American society. I’m glad you use the term that it is ‘happening’…inherent in that is the fact that it doesn’t pre-exist.
The radicalization that is happening broadly, and that includes Latinos, has nothing to do with the article. The idea that Latino culture is inherently racism and misogyny is ignorant and offensive. That’s the point.
Thank you for your comment. The myth is not a myth and it exist. Now, as far of the radicalization, it is happening, it happened. I have family members that are now submerged in the far right echo chambers. They are not MAGA gear hat wearer but definitely will defend far right conspiracy theories.
Interesting is that it affects latino males more than females? 🤔
This is a classic example of inserting your own biases and considering them truth. You say it is not a myth because you want to believe that yet you provide no evidence other than “I have family members…” which is the surest sign you have no evidence or facts to back your argument up - which you don’t.
Perhaps tour family members were raised in a toxic environment or had bad role models? Regardless the fact that you have family that is regressive is unfortunate but not indicative of a broader culture.
It is interesting that the rightward shift is happening more with men than women - I extensively researched this and documented it in my book also. It’s directly correlate to the education gap. Latinas are far more likely to get college degrees than Hispanic men.
Moreover these changing vote patterns get more evident as generations move away from immigrant generations and ethnic identity weakens meaning misogynistic and racist tendencies get stronger as identification with being Latino gets weaker.
So might be time to challenge yourself with data rather than seek anecdotal information that justifies your discriminatory beliefs and your own stereotypes.
Mr. Madrid - I'm a big admirer of your work as I discovered you during the pandemic and thru the Lincoln project work. Your voice I wished it was more elevated in the mainstream media. Therefore, I feel flattered that I got a reply on my comment.
Having said that, I understand how my message could had been a trigger. I listened to you and Mr. Rocha podcast right after the election. I agreed with your analysis that the public was going to focus more on the Latino men than the white woman shift and that's because its easier to point the finger at this group vs the other.
Yet, Mr. Madrid, you might know that rascism or misogynistic data might be difficult to find as no one or most people don't full disclose their rascism or mysigonistic behaviors until you hear victims.
Let me clarify that my latino men family members were not raised in a toxic environment nor bad role models. My family member examples, its their pocket financial grievances that shifted them, then, it was the “woke” stuff, then its just the “generacion cristal” (glass generation) stuff, as I have heard them say. However, you see those feelings and grievances far surpass their pocket financial struggles.
Now with the tariffs, layoffs, and deportations, the way they defend it is more shocking then admitting things are wrong. Things are getting worst and just the pride to blame it on something else.
I'm not a data person, I'm a person that lived in the border town in Texas most of my life and until I left my 90% Hispanic demographics, got to feel what discrimination feels like, and how others see “us” latinos outside of my bubble.
On the education gap, yes that is a reality that latinas are exceeding academically. As a mother of two boys, I'm advocating for males to also find their worth if its not academically to refind it on their trades and encourage that for their thriving success and redefine what might be successful and just have a good decent life.
Thank you, I will keep reading you, and if I find that data, I will make sure to pass it along, then just coming across anecdotal.
From my view of specific male family members who voted for Trump, it was machismo that led them. Not necessarily to
Vote against Harris but in favor of lowering the low-mindedness that Trump spews and believing in the lies and misinformation that was coming out of his mouth and the Republican Party. Listening to them try to reason the decision of their votes was perplexing. They no longer support him, but what was done is done, and it’s too late to change it for now.
Thanks, Mike. You continue to offer a solution-based way forward. I have my own views and my own biases that are better kept to myself. I´d probably be labeled a Latino, a Fred Hampton-Cha Cha Jimenez Nuyorican, which to me is a political commitment, not an ethnic or ancestral label, and I´ve learned that I have little true solidarity with US Latinos, especially those in the South and West of the country. But instead of fixating on the differences, lingering in my judgements and pithy retorts, tooting my own counter-productive horn, which gets us Trump elected, what I get out of your analysis is to understand US Latinos are a reachable and winnable voting population. I´m eager to learn more and to direct my efforts towards a strategy like yours. Palante!
Framework = stereotype
Thanks for this insights.
Combining the comments, piece and 2024 election data - men of all races and backgrounds shifted rightward. The youngest male voters especially so. Perhaps in Latino communities that looks like a resurgence of machismo.
Or maybe it’s the youngest Latino males in society that were hurt by the economy and inflation under Biden/Harris. That would also explain why they’ve soured on Trump now too.
I used “looks like” on purpose. But I would argue that young men of all races are attracted to Trump’s insults and willing to believe ridiculous promises on inflation shows a pro-males gender bias.
And given that male friendships are often based on shared activities I’m sure COVID lockdowns were worse for young men & high school boys than for their female age cohort. Trump opposed lockdowns, a point in his favor I think receives too little attention.
He opposed them and yet ordered them
Am I remembering wrong?
Didn’t Trump refuse a federal lockdown, making every state governor chose when and how?