I agree 100% that the Dems need to focus on the economy and show a willingness to do big things, but how much of this was not wanting to vote for a black woman?
I’ve written about this extensively (at least as it relates to Latino working class voters). These voters voted in historic numbers for Obama (a Black man) and HRC (a white woman). They also were central to giving Kamala Harris her big statewide wins in CA and saved her political career against Steve Cooley in her first statewide race for AG in California.
But once they don’t vote for what they (credibly) vieeed as a failed administration on the economy and border security they’re targeted as racist and misogynistic.
That tells me exactly what the Democratic Party’s problem is right there and it ain’t Latino working class voters
fair point, Mike, but can't they see that Trump is a disgusting racist? Is it a matter of priorities, e.g. that if you're low income you'll vote for whomever you think is going to help your financial situation, regardless of their venality? If so, the Hispanics who voted for Trump are now seeing the error of that calculus.
This does not make sense - if “Latinos” were genuinely worried about the economy why didn’t they vote for Harris? Democrat Presidents are historically better for the economy that Republican and Trump did a poor job on the economy in his first time. So for the economy Harris was the clear winner. Something else is afoot with the latin voter.
I agree that is apparently was the voters thought, or were persuaded. My point is that reality was different, though I acknowledge your point re how inflation inflation was perceived in the USA, albeit inflation in the USA was less than in Europe and brought under control quicker by the USA under Bidden.
So as I said before we’ll see what the reality of the 2nd Trump administration is in due course re the economy and inflation. But at the moment it looks line America is shooting itself in the foot. It must be starting to hurt.
I think history will again show that the Democrats and in this case Biden Harris, did a great job for all Americans and that Trump did not do a good job in term 1 and we’ll see what happens in term 2. Outlook is not good, especially as Trump is a causing inflation now due to his tariffs.
We saw what the voters thought. You may not like anything that challenges your world view but the Democratic Party has been losing working class voters and non-white voters for a long time.
Biden Harris were terrible for working class voters on the economy. Inflation was the worst in 50 years and mortgage rates tripled. Add the border problems and it’s easily explained.
this article summarizes why I am disgruntled with the leaders of the Democratic Party. We heard long before the November election that Democrats were losing the Latino voters. With all the screaming, nothing happened! Even, I, as a novice knew that Latinos are typically economically conservative and traditionally based with their catholic religion.. I also know that Latinos who have been in this country for decades, and maybe even centuries, looked down on the immigrants of today. They are no more connected to the immigration flow than a typical white voter.
I hope, after seeing the Trump regime in action for six months Latinos realize that the Republican party is not friendly to their economic conservatism or their family values. Only a small percent of Latinos are very, very wealthy. They have a very strong entrepreneurial group, but most of them are hardly more than middle class . And if they’re awake at all, and that can be an issue, they should realize that trump and the Republican Party today does not represent them anymore than middle class America (forget the poor, they are just animals to be used and discarded.)
I hope Democrats change their approach to all voters... BC there alternative is fascism and the end od democracy in America.
Is there any polling about how the ICE raids is particularly influencing Latino communities political preferences? And specifically how the influence differs depending on immigrant, 1st generation, 2nd generation, 3+ generation, or how country of origin or or % of Latinos within a particular community?
Will recapturing Latino voters (primarily men) require a shift to a more populist working-class message, similar to what just happened in New York, Mike ? Or is Ruben Gallego a better model?
Democrats are not breaking through to men, especially young men. Latinos are following broader social trends for a disproportionately non-college blue collar population. This makes sense when you remember that Latino voters (citizens) are more assimilated than the Latino population as a whole.
Trump might have since burned any goodwill Republicans had among Latinos, but this unforced error shouldn’t let Democrats off the hook.
The DSA people are willing to reach out to people that the mainstream party has written off and they are doing so by talking about issues that the people care about. Yes, Mamdani has some terrible ideas, but he’s trying. Mainstream Dems are not.
Mike, may I pitch another idea for a deep dive article? 🙂
Gallego dusted Lake, but what do the stats look like among Latino voters? …male/female breakdown, age range, what generation of citizenship (since AZ Latinos can have roots predating statehood)?
Now, how do those votes compare to votes for Harris/Walz ticket on that same ballot? I’m curious whether the preference that I presume Ruben obtained over Kamala can be quantified, and what would be your sense of the voters’ rationale?
Whatever was the differential in their Latino support in AZ, how much do we know about WHY?
I agree 100% that the Dems need to focus on the economy and show a willingness to do big things, but how much of this was not wanting to vote for a black woman?
I’ve written about this extensively (at least as it relates to Latino working class voters). These voters voted in historic numbers for Obama (a Black man) and HRC (a white woman). They also were central to giving Kamala Harris her big statewide wins in CA and saved her political career against Steve Cooley in her first statewide race for AG in California.
But once they don’t vote for what they (credibly) vieeed as a failed administration on the economy and border security they’re targeted as racist and misogynistic.
That tells me exactly what the Democratic Party’s problem is right there and it ain’t Latino working class voters
fair point, Mike, but can't they see that Trump is a disgusting racist? Is it a matter of priorities, e.g. that if you're low income you'll vote for whomever you think is going to help your financial situation, regardless of their venality? If so, the Hispanics who voted for Trump are now seeing the error of that calculus.
This does not make sense - if “Latinos” were genuinely worried about the economy why didn’t they vote for Harris? Democrat Presidents are historically better for the economy that Republican and Trump did a poor job on the economy in his first time. So for the economy Harris was the clear winner. Something else is afoot with the latin voter.
I agree that is apparently was the voters thought, or were persuaded. My point is that reality was different, though I acknowledge your point re how inflation inflation was perceived in the USA, albeit inflation in the USA was less than in Europe and brought under control quicker by the USA under Bidden.
So as I said before we’ll see what the reality of the 2nd Trump administration is in due course re the economy and inflation. But at the moment it looks line America is shooting itself in the foot. It must be starting to hurt.
I think history will again show that the Democrats and in this case Biden Harris, did a great job for all Americans and that Trump did not do a good job in term 1 and we’ll see what happens in term 2. Outlook is not good, especially as Trump is a causing inflation now due to his tariffs.
We’ll see.
We saw what the voters thought. You may not like anything that challenges your world view but the Democratic Party has been losing working class voters and non-white voters for a long time.
Denial is a helluva drug.
Biden Harris were terrible for working class voters on the economy. Inflation was the worst in 50 years and mortgage rates tripled. Add the border problems and it’s easily explained.
this article summarizes why I am disgruntled with the leaders of the Democratic Party. We heard long before the November election that Democrats were losing the Latino voters. With all the screaming, nothing happened! Even, I, as a novice knew that Latinos are typically economically conservative and traditionally based with their catholic religion.. I also know that Latinos who have been in this country for decades, and maybe even centuries, looked down on the immigrants of today. They are no more connected to the immigration flow than a typical white voter.
I hope, after seeing the Trump regime in action for six months Latinos realize that the Republican party is not friendly to their economic conservatism or their family values. Only a small percent of Latinos are very, very wealthy. They have a very strong entrepreneurial group, but most of them are hardly more than middle class . And if they’re awake at all, and that can be an issue, they should realize that trump and the Republican Party today does not represent them anymore than middle class America (forget the poor, they are just animals to be used and discarded.)
I hope Democrats change their approach to all voters... BC there alternative is fascism and the end od democracy in America.
For a start, they can stop calling them Latinx!
Is there any polling about how the ICE raids is particularly influencing Latino communities political preferences? And specifically how the influence differs depending on immigrant, 1st generation, 2nd generation, 3+ generation, or how country of origin or or % of Latinos within a particular community?
Thanks for the update!
Well, let's see how well they do in a Trump economy--that is if ICE doesn't screw up and try to deport them.
Will recapturing Latino voters (primarily men) require a shift to a more populist working-class message, similar to what just happened in New York, Mike ? Or is Ruben Gallego a better model?
Democrats are not breaking through to men, especially young men. Latinos are following broader social trends for a disproportionately non-college blue collar population. This makes sense when you remember that Latino voters (citizens) are more assimilated than the Latino population as a whole.
Trump might have since burned any goodwill Republicans had among Latinos, but this unforced error shouldn’t let Democrats off the hook.
The DSA people are willing to reach out to people that the mainstream party has written off and they are doing so by talking about issues that the people care about. Yes, Mamdani has some terrible ideas, but he’s trying. Mainstream Dems are not.
Gallego had a working-class message that worked. So did Zorhan. Both ran against unpopular opponents. That helped.
Let’s see how Zorhan handles the general election Jim but this is a great foundational question for an article! (I may steal it from you!)
Mike, may I pitch another idea for a deep dive article? 🙂
Gallego dusted Lake, but what do the stats look like among Latino voters? …male/female breakdown, age range, what generation of citizenship (since AZ Latinos can have roots predating statehood)?
Now, how do those votes compare to votes for Harris/Walz ticket on that same ballot? I’m curious whether the preference that I presume Ruben obtained over Kamala can be quantified, and what would be your sense of the voters’ rationale?
Whatever was the differential in their Latino support in AZ, how much do we know about WHY?
It’s yours! What am I going to do with it … ? 🤷♂️
Demographic is destiny was one flawed and extremely lazy take that Democratic consultants used to milk millions from donors, with disastrous results.