To the old guard of the old Democratic party: either get Navelasik surgery OR pull your head out of your arse. Look at what WE really want you to stand for; and that is Not AIPAC, THE TECHBROS, and corporate Overlords... it is economics and no unjust wars! LISTEN to All of your base.
The Demicratic party in California is currently trying to push candidates out of the race and limit choices for voters. They tried unsuccessfully to push the leading candidate, a Latino Xavier Becerra, out of the race to advantage a wealthy old white male billionaire.
Pressure your democrats as well. Ring their phone, shown up at Townhall meetings. Show up at their office if necessary. And best do it in and with a group.
If we don't organize, some politicians will always follow the money rather than us.
I know, it's arduous and a lot of effort, but it's necessary to make our voices heard. Just voting once every 4 years (or not voting as protest) is not enough.
You can’t (well obviously you can but we should be smarter…) BRAND your way out of your core sinister goals that the gop has been working towards. So the gop says what it takes to get the vote, and does THIS when they get voted in. It feels like it’s all just a game to them…
When you fall for the promises of a degenerate conman nothing is going to end up going well for you no matter what you are told differently. What about the fact that at it’s core the Republican Party has been waging a war on everyone except white males for 50 + years is so hard to understand? Latinos may feel they are white but to Republicans they aren’t!
What’s it called when you fall for the lies and failed promises of a party telling you it’s gonna get better for forty years and it keeps getting worse?
Mike, we are doomed as a society if we don’t have compassion for all human beings. In a multicultural society it is toxic and harmful to look away from the horrors perpetrated on human beings who happen to be of a different background. Renee Good and Alex Pretti, two American citizens, lost their lives defending the rights of Latinos. The economy is one thing; humanity is another.
Agreed. My politics on this are very clear…but creating poverty with bad policies is a question for humanity too. Allowing our schools to denigrate and not educate our kids is a humanity question too. Don’t blame people who are desperate when they’ve been asking for help for decades and are being ignored.
I agree Mike. I am not blaming we all have a lot to learn . Sadly, a man with no economic anxiety or compassion for others managed to divide us. We as a society need to look at this situation and learn from it.
Not once have I heard from a Trump voter they considered what a pathological liar Trump and the Republican Party were in considering their vote. And the fact that the voter regrets his vote, he probably would vote for the Republican Party again even with all the evidence of; Project 2025, mass deportation, the wall Mexico didn’t pay for and on and on and on. The same from voters who decided NOT to vote because of the stance on the Middle East.
The outcome of their decision must be weighed by them. If what they see happening now in their country was worth their vote (or not) is for them to live with Charlie.
Gale, you wouldn't ask an American Jew to line up obediently behind a politician who was actively abetting a neo-Nazi group, would you? Would you continue supporting a politician whose party just gave the go-ahead to slaughter your family members?
Of course not. It's not like long-term Washington insider Joe Biden didn't know what Netanyahu was more than likely to do. And when Netanyahu started indiscriminately killing Palestinian civilians, again, Biden gave Netanyahu more money. And Kamala did not have the guts to say she wasn't going to continue it. So the big money from donors was more important than collectively many thousands of people, who have family members here.
Good stuff. I think we all expect the Democrats to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory (again). But, Texas Democrats aren’t waiting for National Democrats to figure it out. Besides, what have National Democrats ever done but ignore us and harvest donor dollars to use on races outside Texas?
Mike, I’m sure this is on your list, but you need to come to the Rio Grande Valley and maybe Laredo and El Paso too. No one, even Texans, seems to understand the culture of that part of Texas where the border crossed Latinos, not vice-versa.
Your statement about the parties flattening voter behavior into either if you vote for use you are all in and with us forever or if you don’t vote for us you’re too dumb to know what’s good for you sure looks accurate to me. On the issue of Democrats dismissing Latinos, it would be good for someone to do a report from Uvalde and delve into the voter suppression there.
It was extremely frustrating to me that Democrats ignored the history and structural political issues in that part of Texas and just gave up in South Texas after Uvalde. There had to have been an opportunity there they didn’t use.
Even if Democrats don’t win elections in places like Uvalde, not contesting Republican power dooms the population to Republican extremism. And that is messed up.
You’re 100% spot on… the border crossed us. My father was born and raised in the RGV, and even though I’m in California I know from where I came and have continued to follow TX politics over the decades.
I have no comment. This is so on target. I remember at the Capitol in the early 90’s, at least in California, the precursors in the Republican Party to what has happened since. Well done, well said.
The Working Family Party in California and A Day Without Immigrants in Oregon and Washington , various other small Regional Political collectives in other areas of the Nation ( some coalition of Indigenous Groups in varied states, with large political groups like the DSA. nationwide may incorporate their energy and interests of various national groups and areas. I am in Oregon and born and have businesses in CA
I smile: I am aligned policy-wise with the Democratic Socialists of America. But my local chapter appears to be dominated by university-academics of a we-know-best bent. They call one another ‘comrade.’ Cringe 🙄
I’ve called it for years the problem is the Liberal Totalitarians (in the Democratic Party) and the Fundamentalist Totalitarians (in the Republican Party) want total control! They just want us to be good little Indians, Chicanos, and Latinos.
I’m a Democrat and have no plan to change my Party. Speaking up is my choice and not 🤐
Fortunately, thousands have joined DSA in the past two years and many are "regular folks" like us. The DC DSA - sponsors book study groups- seem to be outreach to other chapters with people I love to meet up with and joining International focus groups are a way into world issues. More local and very active are Working Family Party in CA Central Valley and LA. Down to earth folks who vet really good candidates. Keep looking for vetting organizations that focus on issues of importance to you.
It seems overly optimistic that either national party will take to heart who their voter is. They continue to chase corporate dollars and elite donors, which may fill the coffers, but not build loyal followers. So far voters have chased change, which is proving how little difference there is between parties. Once the pattern of ineffectiveness is fully established, the party swings will also cease. I am including independents in this group.
Who has recently had successful fundraisers /campaigns, look at those who have entered office, look at their 100 day accomplishments. The gravy train with biscuit wheels for both parties is done.
The 2.party system inherently contains divisiveness.in a perfect world, all parties would be equal to run, or have equal input as a leadership panel. I feel if there was one party, the American party. and all candidates had fo run on their merits alone, and all citizens had access to all of the candidates information equally, then wed have a true fair election leading to best outcomes. And if everyone listened to ska music a little every now and then, more unity would occur naturally. The United States of America is possible when the desire to be a country indivisible as one nation actually exists. Being a Californian, I know my feet are actually on Mexican soil. And my exact place is on the land of the Awaswas people who lived in harmony with Earth. They gave back when they took. We would all benefit to learn the ways of the indigenous peoples who thrived for thousands of years without destroying and depleting the world around them. Just imagine living a better more fulfilling life by having a real relationship with your world.
Something needs to change about the SCOTUS too, term lengths is one thing but not having partisan interests can help but also there has to be limits on power for certain changes. Like constitutional amendments of importance should be decided with the idea that it will be unchangeable going forward so make sure it’s well researched and messages to all and everyone has time to vote their vote on it. WE do so many things without everyone voice counted and we should listen and have more patience so we can make better choices that last. Measure twice, cut once.
Dems need new and younger leadership to actually listen to what we want and need done. Now is the time to do this so people will really want to vote for Dems instead of just voting to beat GOP.
A large body of voters who seem to care only about economic matters affecting them personally is very troubling. Of course this issue should be of concern to voters, and the health of the overall economy is also very important. However, these voters don’t seem to really be making rational decisions about this matter and also seem to be ignoring other extremely important matters. This guy seems like a rational, intelligent, and level-headed person. How can such people fall for Trump’s con? It is very disappointing.
David, if you had ever experienced or witnessed the economic insecurity so many Latino voters/workers struggle under, I think you wouldn't dismiss those concerns. If your base--your need for shelter, food and enough to feed and clothe your children--is not solid, you won't get to “higher order” issues . And I would point out that most most most people don't pay attention until it concerns their wallet. If more “comfortable” people were concerned about the Big Picture, we’d have 100 million in the streets for No Kings, not <10 million.
I have a dear friend, long-ago immigrant. Her husband had a housecleaning business his father had started. Things started to fall apart after the 2008 catastrophe. And things have never picked up but continued downward. I don't know how they manage, really. I feel anxious just thinking about it.
And: in my observation, we are all prisoners of our own experience. (Unless we get out and mix it up a bit.)
Really? He mischaracterized what I said, and so apparently have you. Perhaps I didn't express myself as clearly as I might have. I do not dismiss their concerns. However, people have sacrificed in the most extreme ways to establish and protect our system of government, including some of the people we are talking about, and/or their sons and daughters. And, what? You are going to tell me that I should not criticize people for putting their personal interests above the future of this democracy, when people have bled and died to defend it? Many people didn't know better and let Trump con them? Please. This guy seems like he should be nobody's fool.
I did not dismiss their economic insecurity. In fact, I specifically acknowledged it and said it was a valid concern. And I think your comment about "more comfortable people" and their complacency is well-taken. I do not lay this this all on the voter segment I was addressing here. There are many people who are comfortably well off and who feel aggrieved just because they don't have more and who are also not paying attention to democracy, the rule of law, war and peace, etc.
Democrats 'have' to reach out, but in deeds, not just talking, I believe they will find the way forward to better integrate Latino's economically, I believe!
To the old guard of the old Democratic party: either get Navelasik surgery OR pull your head out of your arse. Look at what WE really want you to stand for; and that is Not AIPAC, THE TECHBROS, and corporate Overlords... it is economics and no unjust wars! LISTEN to All of your base.
Love the passion, but also… yelling at the base like it’s a customer service issue isn’t the strategy.
You’re not wrong about what people want, but “listen to us” hits a lot harder when it sounds like direction instead of a group chat meltdown.
Really? It’s a decade now and polite call to actions have not worked.
The Demicratic party in California is currently trying to push candidates out of the race and limit choices for voters. They tried unsuccessfully to push the leading candidate, a Latino Xavier Becerra, out of the race to advantage a wealthy old white male billionaire.
Just how is that progress?
Pressure your democrats as well. Ring their phone, shown up at Townhall meetings. Show up at their office if necessary. And best do it in and with a group.
If we don't organize, some politicians will always follow the money rather than us.
I know, it's arduous and a lot of effort, but it's necessary to make our voices heard. Just voting once every 4 years (or not voting as protest) is not enough.
I’d rather see people stop voting for parties and candidates that lie to them. You just prefer one liar over another. Have higher standards
It’s not complicated. You can’t brand your way out of a bad economy, no matter how loud the messaging is.
You can’t (well obviously you can but we should be smarter…) BRAND your way out of your core sinister goals that the gop has been working towards. So the gop says what it takes to get the vote, and does THIS when they get voted in. It feels like it’s all just a game to them…
Who the hell is removed enough from reality to think the GOP is good for the economy? Since at least Reagan the evidence has shown otherwise.
Wait until you hear about how they did under Biden-Harris
When you fall for the promises of a degenerate conman nothing is going to end up going well for you no matter what you are told differently. What about the fact that at it’s core the Republican Party has been waging a war on everyone except white males for 50 + years is so hard to understand? Latinos may feel they are white but to Republicans they aren’t!
What’s it called when you fall for the lies and failed promises of a party telling you it’s gonna get better for forty years and it keeps getting worse?
It's Psychological . . . "negative expectancy disconfirmation"? . . .!!!
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/fulfillment-any-age/201011/promises-promises-when-politicians-don-t-deliver
Maybe minorities should register independent and make them work for their vote 🤷♀️
What you refer to is stereotyping, and "liberal" Democrats seem to think they're immune. We're the worst!
Mike, we are doomed as a society if we don’t have compassion for all human beings. In a multicultural society it is toxic and harmful to look away from the horrors perpetrated on human beings who happen to be of a different background. Renee Good and Alex Pretti, two American citizens, lost their lives defending the rights of Latinos. The economy is one thing; humanity is another.
Agreed. My politics on this are very clear…but creating poverty with bad policies is a question for humanity too. Allowing our schools to denigrate and not educate our kids is a humanity question too. Don’t blame people who are desperate when they’ve been asking for help for decades and are being ignored.
That is inhumane.
I agree Mike. I am not blaming we all have a lot to learn . Sadly, a man with no economic anxiety or compassion for others managed to divide us. We as a society need to look at this situation and learn from it.
He didn’t invent the problems, he just poured gasoline on them and called it leadership. Then stood back like, “wow, look how divided everyone is.”
So sure, we can all “learn,” but maybe half the country needs to start with not falling for the same performance next time.
Not once have I heard from a Trump voter they considered what a pathological liar Trump and the Republican Party were in considering their vote. And the fact that the voter regrets his vote, he probably would vote for the Republican Party again even with all the evidence of; Project 2025, mass deportation, the wall Mexico didn’t pay for and on and on and on. The same from voters who decided NOT to vote because of the stance on the Middle East.
The outcome of their decision must be weighed by them. If what they see happening now in their country was worth their vote (or not) is for them to live with Charlie.
Gale, you wouldn't ask an American Jew to line up obediently behind a politician who was actively abetting a neo-Nazi group, would you? Would you continue supporting a politician whose party just gave the go-ahead to slaughter your family members?
Of course not. It's not like long-term Washington insider Joe Biden didn't know what Netanyahu was more than likely to do. And when Netanyahu started indiscriminately killing Palestinian civilians, again, Biden gave Netanyahu more money. And Kamala did not have the guts to say she wasn't going to continue it. So the big money from donors was more important than collectively many thousands of people, who have family members here.
Good stuff. I think we all expect the Democrats to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory (again). But, Texas Democrats aren’t waiting for National Democrats to figure it out. Besides, what have National Democrats ever done but ignore us and harvest donor dollars to use on races outside Texas?
Mike, I’m sure this is on your list, but you need to come to the Rio Grande Valley and maybe Laredo and El Paso too. No one, even Texans, seems to understand the culture of that part of Texas where the border crossed Latinos, not vice-versa.
Your statement about the parties flattening voter behavior into either if you vote for use you are all in and with us forever or if you don’t vote for us you’re too dumb to know what’s good for you sure looks accurate to me. On the issue of Democrats dismissing Latinos, it would be good for someone to do a report from Uvalde and delve into the voter suppression there.
It was extremely frustrating to me that Democrats ignored the history and structural political issues in that part of Texas and just gave up in South Texas after Uvalde. There had to have been an opportunity there they didn’t use.
Even if Democrats don’t win elections in places like Uvalde, not contesting Republican power dooms the population to Republican extremism. And that is messed up.
You’re 100% spot on… the border crossed us. My father was born and raised in the RGV, and even though I’m in California I know from where I came and have continued to follow TX politics over the decades.
So dismayed that Dems seem so stuck
I have no comment. This is so on target. I remember at the Capitol in the early 90’s, at least in California, the precursors in the Republican Party to what has happened since. Well done, well said.
The Working Family Party in California and A Day Without Immigrants in Oregon and Washington , various other small Regional Political collectives in other areas of the Nation ( some coalition of Indigenous Groups in varied states, with large political groups like the DSA. nationwide may incorporate their energy and interests of various national groups and areas. I am in Oregon and born and have businesses in CA
I smile: I am aligned policy-wise with the Democratic Socialists of America. But my local chapter appears to be dominated by university-academics of a we-know-best bent. They call one another ‘comrade.’ Cringe 🙄
I’ve called it for years the problem is the Liberal Totalitarians (in the Democratic Party) and the Fundamentalist Totalitarians (in the Republican Party) want total control! They just want us to be good little Indians, Chicanos, and Latinos.
I’m a Democrat and have no plan to change my Party. Speaking up is my choice and not 🤐
You can see it all over the place
Fortunately, thousands have joined DSA in the past two years and many are "regular folks" like us. The DC DSA - sponsors book study groups- seem to be outreach to other chapters with people I love to meet up with and joining International focus groups are a way into world issues. More local and very active are Working Family Party in CA Central Valley and LA. Down to earth folks who vet really good candidates. Keep looking for vetting organizations that focus on issues of importance to you.
I'm glad you have a local chapter that is a good fit for you. It's luck of the draw, and living in a larger city (mine is small).
It seems overly optimistic that either national party will take to heart who their voter is. They continue to chase corporate dollars and elite donors, which may fill the coffers, but not build loyal followers. So far voters have chased change, which is proving how little difference there is between parties. Once the pattern of ineffectiveness is fully established, the party swings will also cease. I am including independents in this group.
Who has recently had successful fundraisers /campaigns, look at those who have entered office, look at their 100 day accomplishments. The gravy train with biscuit wheels for both parties is done.
Great point!
https://substack.com/@jasongael/note/c-252837776?r=c41t&utm_medium=ios&utm_source=notes-share-action
The Latina Community have mostly voted Conservative since 1984. They were one of key Swing voters who gave Reagan a Blowout Victory in CALIFORNIA.
And yes, they also voted heavily for Duhbya in 2004. Unfortunately.
In a two party system you have to make a decision, otherwise you give away even the last bit of your influence.
Instead of being (only) angry, speak up, engage, protest, organize, Boykott.
If Latinos (or any other group) are not getting active and put pressure on their representatives, things won't change in their favor.
We are in this together.
The 2.party system inherently contains divisiveness.in a perfect world, all parties would be equal to run, or have equal input as a leadership panel. I feel if there was one party, the American party. and all candidates had fo run on their merits alone, and all citizens had access to all of the candidates information equally, then wed have a true fair election leading to best outcomes. And if everyone listened to ska music a little every now and then, more unity would occur naturally. The United States of America is possible when the desire to be a country indivisible as one nation actually exists. Being a Californian, I know my feet are actually on Mexican soil. And my exact place is on the land of the Awaswas people who lived in harmony with Earth. They gave back when they took. We would all benefit to learn the ways of the indigenous peoples who thrived for thousands of years without destroying and depleting the world around them. Just imagine living a better more fulfilling life by having a real relationship with your world.
A no party system... interesting approach. Thanks for bringing up the idea. 🙏
Something needs to change about the SCOTUS too, term lengths is one thing but not having partisan interests can help but also there has to be limits on power for certain changes. Like constitutional amendments of importance should be decided with the idea that it will be unchangeable going forward so make sure it’s well researched and messages to all and everyone has time to vote their vote on it. WE do so many things without everyone voice counted and we should listen and have more patience so we can make better choices that last. Measure twice, cut once.
I agree 100%., well said.
Dems need new and younger leadership to actually listen to what we want and need done. Now is the time to do this so people will really want to vote for Dems instead of just voting to beat GOP.
Please consider supporting "Run for something". Thank you. 🙏
A large body of voters who seem to care only about economic matters affecting them personally is very troubling. Of course this issue should be of concern to voters, and the health of the overall economy is also very important. However, these voters don’t seem to really be making rational decisions about this matter and also seem to be ignoring other extremely important matters. This guy seems like a rational, intelligent, and level-headed person. How can such people fall for Trump’s con? It is very disappointing.
David, if you had ever experienced or witnessed the economic insecurity so many Latino voters/workers struggle under, I think you wouldn't dismiss those concerns. If your base--your need for shelter, food and enough to feed and clothe your children--is not solid, you won't get to “higher order” issues . And I would point out that most most most people don't pay attention until it concerns their wallet. If more “comfortable” people were concerned about the Big Picture, we’d have 100 million in the streets for No Kings, not <10 million.
Thank you Charlie. These people are so far removed from the reality of most peoples lives it’s shocking
I have a dear friend, long-ago immigrant. Her husband had a housecleaning business his father had started. Things started to fall apart after the 2008 catastrophe. And things have never picked up but continued downward. I don't know how they manage, really. I feel anxious just thinking about it.
And: in my observation, we are all prisoners of our own experience. (Unless we get out and mix it up a bit.)
Really? He mischaracterized what I said, and so apparently have you. Perhaps I didn't express myself as clearly as I might have. I do not dismiss their concerns. However, people have sacrificed in the most extreme ways to establish and protect our system of government, including some of the people we are talking about, and/or their sons and daughters. And, what? You are going to tell me that I should not criticize people for putting their personal interests above the future of this democracy, when people have bled and died to defend it? Many people didn't know better and let Trump con them? Please. This guy seems like he should be nobody's fool.
I did not dismiss their economic insecurity. In fact, I specifically acknowledged it and said it was a valid concern. And I think your comment about "more comfortable people" and their complacency is well-taken. I do not lay this this all on the voter segment I was addressing here. There are many people who are comfortably well off and who feel aggrieved just because they don't have more and who are also not paying attention to democracy, the rule of law, war and peace, etc.
Democrats 'have' to reach out, but in deeds, not just talking, I believe they will find the way forward to better integrate Latino's economically, I believe!